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Currently both Spanish Language and Earth Science have a favicon that is almost the same (see Meta.SE Favicon of Earth Science and Spanish are too similar (exactly the same in HNQ list) and Earth Science vs. Spanish Language favicons: now with 0% lowercasing!).

While we are in Beta, we are supposedly not allowed to have our own style of icons. However, it is clear that the current situation makes both sites difficult to distinguish.

Prompted by CM Catija's comment:

If these sites want different icons that are still Unicode, that discussion needs to happen on their respective sites. It's not for MSE to decide if this should be changed and, if so, to what. I recognize that this question was originally asked on a child meta and that it was migrated here because it was about two sites. But the question isn't "should these be more different" the question is "do we want something else?" – Catija♦ Mar 20 at 18:51

I ask here: do we want a different icon? If so, which one?

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    To be clear, this isn't a design. This would be similar to what you see for the logos on Anime & Manga or Buddhism. It's a Unicode symbol that would be used in place of the "Es" you currently have but the icon would otherwise be the same. It needs to be something that you think would be recognized as being relevant to your site in the way the initials we use by default are. – Catija Mar 25 at 17:26
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    Thanks @Catija this makes me think that something like a big Ñ would very much help in this case. Let's see what others thing, but to me this can be an interesting approach, as it is a very specific Spanish letter (it is used in other languages, but they are quite smaller, so they are not likely to match any other SE site). – fedorqui Mar 25 at 17:35
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    Didn't we try to get a Favicon before and it was denied? I seem to remember Charlie creating one. That thread must be deleted now. I'm just asking because I think that this is a good idea, but I want to make sure that if we suggest something it has a good chance of being accepted. My understanding is that this might be possible but changing the unicode character, not changing to something else. I know that other beta sites have their own favicon (like the chess stack). So what are exactly our possibilities in terms of favicons? – Diego Mar 26 at 16:20
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    @Diego yes, we tried some time ago (I offered a bounty to a Meta.SE question also), but we did not get much attention. Now that walen noticed that favicons in HNQ are equal and got quite a lot of attention, we can try this again. We have a CM commenting on the question, so this is a good starting point : ) – fedorqui Mar 26 at 21:13
  • @Diego yes, the arrogant Charlie of the past once tried to create a favicon for Spanish Language, but that was way before I learnt about the rules of the beta sites. Que me vine muy arriba, vamos. – Charlie Mar 27 at 9:23
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    @Charlie haha! Still, your suggested favicon was received with a lot of upvotes in my answer in Meta.SE. So it was good that you overlooked the beta sites rules :P – fedorqui Mar 27 at 9:36
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    @Diego I suspect the Chess SE's icon is also a unicode symbol: (like Buddhism and Anime & Manga's) – ukemi Mar 27 at 9:49
  • @Diego There are thousands of Unicode characters: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unicode_characters The chess symbol is one of them. So, for this to be accepted, y'all will need to pick something that we could use as if it were text. This makes it easier on you because there's no "art" or "design" to it. You pick something that already exists and we plop it on the icon. – Catija Mar 27 at 19:40
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    @Charlie for what it's worth I liked your SO inspired logo. – ukemi Mar 28 at 13:32
  • This is the most viewed, voted, commented, answered and/or edited Meta post of the last month -- and probably the whole last year too! Participation has been outstanding compared to what we're used to here at Spanish.SE Meta :) I'd like to thanks fedorqui and @Catija for sponsoring this debate, and I really hope that somethiñg good comes out of it! ;D – walen Apr 1 at 7:07
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    @ukemi we have already talked with the CM about this, so the request is on status-hopefully-ontheirway – fedorqui Apr 3 at 16:06
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I would definitely favor an ñ favicon. Ñ would be OK too, but lowercase fits better. Both are Unicode characters.

I don't want to bother any of you explaining how and why the letter Ñ is essentially the symbol of the Spanish language; it's already been discussed in the linked posts, and one need only read not even the Spanish but the English Wikipedia entry for Ñ to see that this letter's history is tied to that of our language, and that most (if not all) of the other languages that use Ñ do so influenced by Spanish use (or because computers lacked the actual non-latin1 letters and they had to make do with an Ñ as the closest one).

It is true, however, that the tilde might not render clearly at low resolutions, depending on the font used, existence of aliasing etc.
A 1-pixel-wide ñ renders quite clearly, IMO: enter image description here
That favicon was done pixel by pixel in Paint by me, trying to resemble the 1-pixel-wide ES letters currently used in the smallest icon. I don't know whether StackExchange's way of generating Unicode favicons allows for such a clear tilde in such a small size, but I hope it does. Also, I don't think the "big" favicon would have this problem.

If a ñ favicon is somehow not doable, other distinctive Spanish symbols are the opening question mark ¿ (info) and opening exclamation mark ¡ (info).
A favicon made with some combination of these (¿? ¡! ¡¿ ¿¡) would probably be distinct enough, but I don't think most people would identify it as being related to the Spanish language.

TL;DR: Yes, I want a different favicon, one with a lowercase ñ.

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    I agree, the ñ clearly and simply represents the language. And according to Catija's comment, the beta favicons are rendered using unicode symbols (e.g. , ), so there should be no issue using an enye. – ukemi Mar 26 at 11:15
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    I also like the idea of having a ñ (lowercase) as the Stack's favicon. Although it is not exclusive to it, I believe many people will immediately relate such an icon with the Spanish language. – Krauss Mar 26 at 17:49
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    We've made this change as requested. Congrats! – Catija Apr 3 at 21:29
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    @Catija 🤩🤩🤩 Looks great, thanks! – walen Apr 3 at 21:46
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To give another option its own place to be voted on, the inverted question mark (a distinguishing feature of the Spanish orthography, which also embodies the idea of SE being a Q&A site).

Either singular:

¿

or as a pair:

¿?

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    I must downvote it, I don't think it is representative enough of the Spanish language... let's have a ñ instead! – fedorqui Mar 28 at 16:42
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    +1 because that is my third option after all (though I'd rather have an ñ) and I like that you joined the discussion :) – walen Mar 28 at 22:45
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    I upvoted. I like ñ but I like ¿ even better, because I think that a tiny ñ will be harder to see and understand than ¿ . – aparente001 Apr 3 at 20:02
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    What's more, this is a questions site, so this one is nice. – FGSUZ Apr 5 at 8:03
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I like walen's proposal, but just to give people the other obvious choice to vote:

Yes, I want a different favicon, one with an uppercase Ñ.

Ñ is U+00D1 in Unicode, Ñ in HTML.

  • +1 because I missed you :D I really don't care if it's lowercase or uppercase as long as it fits. Maybe a lowercase ñ for the small favicon and an uppercase Ñ for the normal favicon could be an option? – walen Mar 27 at 10:48

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